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Recommend public reporting of incidents and near misses #273

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Recommends that TREs with public data should make available reports on incidents, near misses, and what was been done as a result

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Closes #256

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@manics manics added WP5 Community & Stakeholder Engagement proposed change A proposed change to the specification pillar: supporting Supporting capabilities labels Oct 5, 2023
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Not super confident if my suggestions are the right thing, but I was trying to

  • Not introduce a new importance
  • Make the statement a bit stronger, everyone should be honest
  • Keep the particular emphasis on public trust/responsibility

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manics commented Oct 5, 2023

Seems fine to me! Though note I've introduced Mandatory (for TREs with public sector data), otherwise Optional in #272, I can't think of a good alternative since we want the status to be clear, which rules out putting the for TREs with public sector data somewhere else.

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craddm commented Oct 5, 2023

Not super confident if my suggestions are the right thing, but I was trying to

  • Not introduce a new importance
  • Make the statement a bit stronger, everyone should be honest
  • Keep the particular emphasis on public trust/responsibility

I think it's good to emphasise public trust where applicable, but isn't it possible to be honest without publicly reporting near misses etc, at least in a commercial setting, where internal reporting might suffice?

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JimMadge commented Oct 5, 2023

I think it's good to emphasise public trust where applicable, but isn't it possible to be honest without publicly reporting near misses etc, at least in a commercial setting, where internal reporting might suffice?

I think perhaps only in the case when there are no stakeholders other than the TRE organisation. I'm not sure I see why a TRE operator making profit should change our position.

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manics commented Oct 5, 2023

Ideally I'd like to replace all mentions of "public" with "public where public data is held; data owners where private/commercial data is held", but that's too complicated.

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JimMadge commented Oct 5, 2023

Ideally I'd like to replace all mentions of "public" with "public where public data is held; data owners where private/commercial data is held", but that's too complicated.

Yes, maybe we need to add a term and define it?

I can see why we are more concerned when the data is about members of the public. However, I also think it is responsible for TREs selling a service to companies to be clear about their security (maybe the issue is public disclosure there?).

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manics commented Oct 5, 2023

I think this is something best dealt with in future when we take account of different types of TREs (e.g. opensafely vs desktop), and data tiers- we can have a section for commercial/private TREs.

Coming up with a term now would fix the issue, but Public Involvement and Engagement is a well known term, and trying to include non-public/commercial/private would end up diluting it.

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craddm commented Oct 5, 2023

I'm good with leaving as is

@JimMadge JimMadge merged commit b6eafc5 into sa-tre:main Oct 6, 2023
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The reporting on close calls and issues was a collab cafe discussion that wasn't limited to public sector data holders but I agree it's only that holds as very mandatory for public sector data and for other types and commercial it's relevant people. Could be summarised as 'disclosed to relevant parties - where TREs hold public sector data this would need to publicly published'

It's an important part in the transparency element

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Note: we need to add this statement in the Turing eval

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