🛑 Russia invaded Ukraine

[vitalik]

Hi

My name is Vitaliy and I'm from Ukraine
On 24 February 2022, Russia launched a large-scale military invasion of Ukraine
The number of civilians killed is rising by the day
A lot of my friends and close ones are suffering from 24/7 shelling

I ask you to help us during these horrible days with few ways:

You can:

• Donate me personally a "cup of coffee" and I will redirect these money to volunteer organisations
• https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/ - use this link to Donate to Ukrainian volunteers
• https://war.ukraine.ua/donate/ - use this link to Donate to the Armed Forces of Ukraine
• Humanitarian aid - Donate to civilian assistance (food, medicaments, cloth, transportation)
• Find a local donation center you your contry to help with warm cloth and other important things
• If you live in Europe - please help our refugees to find temporary accommodation

(all links is verified by me)

Thank you
and I hope to get this over soon

[AliGx97]

I hope this war ends ASAP, may God bless and save you all 🙏🏻

[toudi]

@vitalik are you safe? do you require financial support?

[vitalik]

@toudi
thank you - I'm safe now

[AkeemMcLennon]

@vitalik Glad to hear you're safe! Please don't hesitate to let the community know if there's any way to help

[Ylodi]

I hope that this issue will be resolved very soon. Take care!

[yunge]

God bless you and your country!

[ghost]

Hi Vitaliy,

as the previous people said - let us know if we can be of any assistance to you and your family.

Слава Україні!

[Kimmyungetouh]

I hope that peace can return as soon as possible

[HoJin9622]

Please be safe

[hbutau]

Glad to hear that you are safe @vitalik ! Hope this war ends sooner.

[ddahan]

Hi @vitalik, are you still safe? Do you need any kind of help?

[pianist5555]

War in Europe in the 21st century is ridiculous. The whole world help Ukraine

[engAmirEng]

As an Iranian that is under dictatorship and heavy censorship of the Islamic Republic and has friends that are captured and tortured by the regime, I still think about the people of Ukraine and embarrassed about the bloody drones that are sold to Putin
🇺🇦💑🟢⚪🔴

[app-generator]

In the end, good will prevail.
Keep the faith @vitalik, @engAmirEng

[ReezeBL]

I really hope this war will end soon, striking invaders out of Donetsk and Lugansk!

[GigglePocket]

This unprovoked attack on Ukraine is an affront to humanity. Me and mine have supported and donated to the resistance against this atrocity and will continue to do so. If one free democratic state can be unjustly attacked and invaded by a tyrannical dictator, any free democratic state can, and likely will be. I stand with you. We stand with you.

[ZeyadMoustafaKamal]

I hope this war ends soon and I hope that people stand with Palestine, both wars are very bad for the lives of innocent people

[alexey-sveshnikov]

I wish you and all Ukrainians to be safe... And we hope this war will end soon, too :(

[ZechaZZ]

I truly hope that the wars in Ukraine, Palestine, and elsewhere will end soon. I advocate for lasting peace.

[linuxxxxxxx]

荣耀属于乌克兰！！！！！！希望你们健康平安。

[lorddaedra]

@vitalik , hello from Moscow :-)

You are a good developer and your project is making the world a better place (nice to have any good alternatives to DRF), I hope you are safe.

But this political discussion is hurting this open source project

1. your contributors may have different political stances (for example, all sides of this conflict may be equally disliked because it is a conflict between different economic and political elites of different states, not a conflict between ordinary people), it is more profitable to accept help from all sides, not just those who agree with your political stance, but if you agitate to financially support the army of one side of the conflict (the Ukrainian army in your case), it will reduce the number of people willing to help this project. I just can't contribute to this project.

2. when readers realize you live in Ukraine, they first think of the bus factor. (You have made 414 commits https://github.com/vitalik/django-ninja/graphs/contributors, the next contributor after you has only 41, meaning the project is linked to 1 person who can be mobilized at any time) So there is a concern that using such a project is unreliable, and given the first point, other contributors will be harder to find.

I realize that this discussion started because it was triggered by your strong emotions, but it's been more than 2 years since these events started, maybe it's time to change something...

[vitalik]

@lorddaedra

I realize that this discussion started because it was triggered by your strong emotions, but it's been more than 2 years since these events started, maybe it's time to change something...

Well I hate russians even more over these two years, and good thing is that this project brings good amount of donations that I dedicate to tools that help killing more invaders every day.

[ZeyadMoustafaKamal]

@lorddaedra Well I don't think that it works this way. If some country invaded Russia you might feel the same way he does. The only thing I agree with you about is that it's important to note that not all Russians are bad people. He is very angry because his country has been destroyed. And he is just trying to do anything to make the world listen.

[...some nonsense...] I will feel what the Ukrainians feel and I hope that this war ends soon. So anyway I don't think that it's bad that he posted this one here. And you as Russians it's important to tell the world that you also don't want this war to continue.

[lorddaedra]

@vitalik

Well I hate russians even more over these two years

You're human, I understand your emotions.

, and good thing is that this project brings good amount of donations that I dedicate to tools that help killing more invaders every day.

It's none of my business. It's your life, your donations, your decisions, your responsibility, and so on.

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My point of view is that perhaps open source as a global system with contributors from any region is more important than the interests of any state. More important than the US, EU, Ukraine or Russia.

Perhaps we should try to protect open source as a global system from the impact of various political conflicts.

Perhaps we shouldn't turn everything we own (I mean django-ninja) into a weapon. We may lose more than we gain.

[vitalik]

@lorddaedra what's your personal problem with this banner showing ?

the bus factor does not go anywhere - I can be killed at any moment ( I have people to who I delegated GH credentials in that case )

but the fact that this banner is showing does:

• annoys a lot of russians ( you are not the first russian who does not like it :)
• brings donations
• donations converted into tools that help eliminate russians who invaded my home
• which helps finish it faster - so a win-win

[lorddaedra]

@vitalik

what's your personal problem with this banner showing ?

1. any participation in a project that openly supports the Ukrainian army, from the point of view of Russian laws (for example, sending a pull request to this repository) is participation in a terrorist organization and a criminal offense.
2. I'd like to live in a world with a global open source community. There are risks of having a world where supporters of the US and Europe do their open source projects, and supporters of China, Russia and developing countries do theirs.

annoys a lot of russians ( you are not the first russian who does not like it :)

Maybe they just don't want to end up in jail.

brings donations

I see three possible directions for donations:

• you as the main contributor to the project (okay, why not)
• humanitarian needs (okay, why not)
• the Ukrainian army (I see a problem here: it's supporting the war on the side of Ukraine)

donations converted into tools that help eliminate russians who invaded my home

Donations are turning into tools to help destroy both ukrainians and russians. The conflict continues, fueled by new weapons and more victims on both sides.

It also increases the risks of mobilization (your personal risks too)

which helps finish it faster - so a win-win

(compare the population of Ukraine and Russia)

so which helps to slow down the process (and, for example, helps to keep power in the hands of those political elites who have that power and control over financial flows now)

[lorddaedra]

@ZeyadMoustafaKamal

If some country invaded Russia you might feel the same way he does.

I agree that people have emotions and often people act irrationally, propaganda (on both sides of the conflict) exploits these human errors.

I agree with you about is that it's important to note that not all Russians are bad people. He is very angry because his country has been destroyed. And he is just trying to do anything to make the world listen.

As engineers, we have to take a rational approach and sometimes distrust emotions. The world isn't black and white, it's not about good versus evil.

Every country has different groups of economic and political elites with different interests, sometimes these interests lead to conflicts.

Members of the open source community also have common interests, and perhaps our interests are closer to each other than to the interests of regional elites.

[...some nonsense...]

I saw your phrase before the censorship. (It's probably not safe for Vitalik so I'll avoid using names.)

I have no opinion about the political elites of Ukraine or Russia. I try to be neutral to both sides of the conflict.

But (in general) I understand their interests because of each group of political elites in every country wants the same: to keep power and control over financial flows. If the war ends, political elites of Ukraine will lose both.

So, again, perhaps our interests (as Python developers and/or pet-project owners) are closer to each other than to the interests of any regional elites or corporations.

I hope that this war ends soon

I hope so, too.

So anyway I don't think that it's bad that he posted this one here.

Supporting Ukraine's military, supporting their political or economic elites is not about making peace, it's about war. If you want peace, don't choose sides, try to be neutral.

And you as Russians it's important to tell the world that you also don't want this war to continue.

Russia is a big country and there are many different interests here. I can tell you about my own interests.

I want a world without borders and to be part of a global community: work together with americans, russians, ukrainians, europeans and chinese in one team (and live in Moscow).

Maybe I support alterglobalization. I support interests of the global small business owners (SaaS companies) and the interests of indiehackers and bootstrappers. Try to do your own projects and be helpful to other people. This will give much more fan than taking part in any wars.

If you have something to sell to other people, you are not motivated to kill them. If you want to develop something (for example, open source projects or startup/bootstrap projects) with other people, you are not motivated to kill them. You want to stay away from any conflicts.