diff --git a/src/aiida/brokers/broker.py b/src/aiida/brokers/broker.py
index 1259a9c43c..388cd7e510 100644
--- a/src/aiida/brokers/broker.py
+++ b/src/aiida/brokers/broker.py
@@ -13,17 +13,19 @@
 __all__ = ('Broker',)
 
 
+# FIXME: make me a protocol
 class Broker:
     """Interface for a message broker that facilitates communication with and between process runners."""
 
-    def __init__(self, profile: 'Profile') -> None:
-        """Construct a new instance.
-
-        :param profile: The profile.
-        """
-        self._profile = profile
+    # def __init__(self, profile: 'Profile') -> None:
+    #     """Construct a new instance.
+    #
+    #     :param profile: The profile.
+    #     """
+    #     self._profile = profile
 
     @abc.abstractmethod
+    # FIXME: make me a property
     def get_coordinator(self) -> 'Coordinator':
         """Return an instance of coordinator."""
 
diff --git a/src/aiida/brokers/rabbitmq/broker.py b/src/aiida/brokers/rabbitmq/broker.py
index 7bfcb2fec6..103720c83f 100644
--- a/src/aiida/brokers/rabbitmq/broker.py
+++ b/src/aiida/brokers/rabbitmq/broker.py
@@ -30,7 +30,7 @@
 class RabbitmqBroker(Broker):
     """Implementation of the message broker interface using RabbitMQ through ``kiwipy``."""
 
-    def __init__(self, profile: Profile) -> None:
+    def __init__(self, profile: Profile, loop=None) -> None:
         """Construct a new instance.
 
         :param profile: The profile.
@@ -38,8 +38,8 @@ def __init__(self, profile: Profile) -> None:
         self._profile = profile
         self._communicator: 'RmqThreadCommunicator | None' = None
         self._prefix = f'aiida-{self._profile.uuid}'
-        # FIXME: ??? should make the event loop setable??
-        self._loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
+        self._coordinator = None
+        self._loop = loop or asyncio.get_event_loop()
 
     def __str__(self):
         try:
@@ -59,6 +59,12 @@ def iterate_tasks(self):
             yield task
 
     def get_coordinator(self):
+        if self._coordinator is not None:
+            return self._coordinator
+
+        return self.create_coordinator()
+
+    def create_coordinator(self):
         if self._communicator is None:
             self._communicator = self._create_communicator()
             # Check whether a compatible version of RabbitMQ is being used.
diff --git a/src/aiida/cmdline/utils/decorators.py b/src/aiida/cmdline/utils/decorators.py
index c5fdf826ca..595ce8373d 100644
--- a/src/aiida/cmdline/utils/decorators.py
+++ b/src/aiida/cmdline/utils/decorators.py
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@
 
 """
 
+import asyncio
 from contextlib import contextmanager
 
 from click_spinner import spinner
@@ -325,7 +326,8 @@ def start_daemon():
 
     assert profile is not None
 
-    if manager.get_broker() is None:
+    loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
+    if manager.create_broker(loop) is None:
         echo.echo_critical(
             f'profile `{profile.name}` does not define a broker and so cannot use this functionality.'
             f'See {URL_NO_BROKER} for more details.'
diff --git a/src/aiida/manage/manager.py b/src/aiida/manage/manager.py
index 690051c73b..e9bf5c17f0 100644
--- a/src/aiida/manage/manager.py
+++ b/src/aiida/manage/manager.py
@@ -285,7 +285,10 @@ def get_profile_storage(self) -> 'StorageBackend':
 
         return self._profile_storage
 
-    def get_broker(self) -> 'Broker' | None:
+    def get_broker(self) -> 'Broker | None':
+        return self._broker
+
+    def create_broker(self, loop) -> 'Broker | None':
         """Return an instance of :class:`aiida.brokers.broker.Broker` if the profile defines a broker.
 
         :returns: The broker of the profile, or ``None`` if the profile doesn't define one.
@@ -307,7 +310,7 @@ def get_broker(self) -> 'Broker' | None:
                 entry_point = 'core.rabbitmq'
 
             broker_cls = BrokerFactory(entry_point)
-            self._broker = broker_cls(self._profile)
+            self._broker = broker_cls(self._profile, loop)
 
         return self._broker
 
@@ -421,11 +424,14 @@ def create_runner(
         _default_poll_interval = 0.0 if profile.is_test_profile else self.get_option('runner.poll.interval')
         _default_broker_submit = False
         _default_persister = self.get_persister()
-        _default_broker = self.get_broker()
+        _default_loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
+
+        loop = loop or _default_loop
+        _default_broker = self.create_broker(loop)
 
         runner = runners.Runner(
             poll_interval=poll_interval or _default_poll_interval,
-            loop=loop or asyncio.get_event_loop(),
+            loop=loop,
             broker=broker or _default_broker,
             broker_submit=broker_submit or _default_broker_submit,
             persister=persister or _default_persister,